Edmond Atkin Quotes


The upper and lower Cherokees differ from each other, as much almost as two different Nations. The upper (among whom the Emperor resides) being much more warlike, better Governed, better affected to us, and as sober and well behaved as the others are debauched and Insolent .. They seldom take part in each others Wars


Context

There were over 500 different Indian nations in America, each with its own customs, laws, governments, norms, and cultures. In the larger nations, there were differences within just like in Europe.


Citations

Edmond Atkin, 18th Century, British Colonial Superintendent of Indian Affairs for the Southern Colonies, Report, 1755

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